Misguided_Rooster You're right, it is. Whoops. Sorry. Actually, I think Mo Fan only had Xin Xia and Mu Ning Xue, but even having 2 wives (or whatever) just makes him a cheating scumbag.
What’s a trope you are tired of seeing?
Also, I’d like to this other trope and that’s:
The sibling with no blood relationship being the main character’s love interest.
Like, ugh! It is SO WRONG and SO INFURIATING! I hate this! Why authors so this?!
Misguided_Rooster 
I am not a masochist however I suddenly want you to review my book.
It looks like everyone wants a piece of Cock. (rooster)
- Yes, 21st Century assassin transmigrated into a bullied girl shit.
- I'm poor and fell in In love with CEO shit
- Betrayed and killed by family so now I got another chance shit
- Systems and I got to survive/do missions shit
- Forced marriage but we love each other shit
- Ice-face or intimidating main guy, but loves the main girl for no reason shit
- Smut that only exists to attract horny people and makes no sense shit
- Harem that happens just because they're the MC shit
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It's funny how the things you hate are the ones you read more often. As the ancients have foretold, 'Enemies are bound to meet on a narrow road.'
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No, it's not funny. Obviously, you get bored of things you encounter the most, so obviously you don't like them.
The real funny thing is that some of you thought I was speaking words of wisdom. In fact, I only reversed the order of things, like charlatans often do.
Here’s another trope: The cold and abusive ML.
I don’t get why authors must make their male lead cold and abusive towards the FL. THAT’S NOT CUTE!
Also, on that topic ummm.. R*pe trope is also a no no for reasons that are called COMMON SENSE!
Also, there’s is this trope where the ML only liked the FL because she was the only one who treated him differently. Aka, she rejects the ML and all of the sudden he is interested. Ugh 
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Has anyone mentioned the trope where the whole world, especially every single arrogant young master, their family, their clan, their sect (in fantasy), their company (in urban) and their dogs wants to kill the main character for no reason other than he exists?
"How dare you fight back when I'm bullying you/your girlfriend! You've offended me! I'll hire assassins to kill you!"
Or the stupid son-in-law trope where he's actually this gigantic big shot (heavenly general or young master of a super family) but he for some inane reason keeps his identity a secret from his wife for no other reason than to perform a dramatic reveal much, much later?
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Tomoyuki Thumbs up for the second one. I once read a book where everyone, I mean everyone including the wife treated him like sh**, slapped him and verbally abused him yet he stayed because she once treated him kindly when he was down and it was not her fault but she was being pressured by the family.
That's legit domestic abuse and sample of toxicity. I felt the mc was suffering from Stockholm Syndrome.
Fast forward, a few dramatic chapters and the mc has reclaimed his place as the Lord of the Top Family/Clan and started helping his wife from behind. She still hated him, abused him but had started softening because she had a mysterious helper. I don't know what happened because I dropped the book.
Since then, I have not read any op son in law in disguise.
Dark_Scholars That's pretty much every son-in-law story in a nutshell. I am Han San Qian. Dad the Strongest God of War. Strongest Son-in-law. Ultimate Son-in-law. Abandoned Son-in-law. Ultimate Abandoned Young Master. Son-in-law Above Them All.
I mean, at this point they are pretty much copying each other.
The cold and abusive ML trope gives female readers a sense of entitlement and fake security, so its quite popular.
These days, abuse is so common that some women can't fight back. So, they wanted a kind of release. They wanted to feel confident. Safe and secure. Appreciated.
Imagine it, someone who's head over heels for you, wishing to give you everything, and wanting you for himself.
Its cringe, but some people can't help finding it attractive.
I like it a bit if the person they love doesn't take advantage of them, where they'll feel overwhelmed and useless instead, so they're gonna try to be strong and useful, but....
If it was abuse or too much simping, like, no self-love at all, I'll knock on the author's door at 3AM with a knife.
I forgot to mention this in the last post, but those same son-in-law stories also have one trope that I find utterly ridiculous. Every arrogant young master or other male character is pursuing the protagonist's wife. And protagonist's wife's family wants her to divorce the guy, and even though she agrees that he's trash, she finds some excuse not to divorce him (uh, what?).
I mean, what's wrong with everyone? What kind of self-respecting man chases after a married woman? They are young masters of rich and powerful families, they can literally have any women they want, but they're desperate enough to pursue a woman who is already married? How does that even make sense?
Villarico_Heaven96 Yeah, My Paranoid Lover - also known as CEO Above, Me Below - is one of the worst I've read. The poor female lead gets kidnapped, raped, threatened, abused...but somehow she ends up falling in love with the male lead. Who's apparently supposed to be suffering from paranoid personality disorder. How does that justify him committing crimes in broad daylight? He gets away with it because he's rich, powerful and handsome? What the f? If this is another story (probably a son-in-law story or urban cultivation), this guy would probably be the main villain.
But somehow this sort of abuse is popular among the readers? Really?
Tomoyuki
Looks like writing a full novel cussing the hell out of them wasn't enough to extinguish your fire.
SlaveOfTheLord I mean, the thread starter asked, so...why not?
I'm going to start a new trope, and it's about 'doin ur mum'
The most original trope in the whole world
Dzeeck
Have you read 'The Lord's Empire' ?? The MC is one of those who wouldn't mind doing it to his mom. Thank the lord she's dead.
shadowdrake27 I'll read it. Just to spite Mister Rooster over here.
And it sounds like a genuinly funny cliché trope-ridden stupid story
Yeah it would be a train wreck… one of those “it’s so bad that it’s good” type of books.
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To add another few to the list, these are things that bother me in stories:
- Puppy Kicking Villains
This is a term a friend of mine came up with for a villain that doesn’t follow logic. They aren’t interesting and just do evil things because they are supposed to be evil. Sort of like the villain that’s wants to blow up the world and you think, “Wait, wouldn’t he die too?”
These villains are so Generic and boring. They are unrelatable and simply plot devices. The best villains have a real goal and beliefs similar to a hero. Something like, “If we conquer the entire world then there will be no more wars!” The beat villains are ones that when you learn WHY they do that they do you understand and can relate. Usually they are just going about accomplishing their goal in the wrong way.
- Weak characters
Those characters that don’t follow a consistent code or behavioral pattern. They just kind of do whatever is needed to advance the plot. Perhaps they always have the right skill/tool for the job for no reason. Sometimes they randomly know information that is critical for no reason. Other times they are doing things inconsistent with their character traits for no reason… etc… etc…
- This is Fantasy, so Logic doesn’t apply!
Stories that make no sense and are full of plot holes. Sometimes they make rules for something (like magic) but break them whenever they want. “You can’t cast a spell without an incantation… unless you are the main character!”
These are hard because the lack of internal logic makes it hard to actually imagine the world they live in. I want to be able to believe this world is real, so stop making up rules and not following them!
- Accidental Fourth Wall Breaks
I’m not talking about good/intentional fourth wall breaks. This is strictly when an author breaks the fourth wall without meaning to or when it doesn’t make sense. An example is when a narrator says something like, “Don't you think?” Or “Wouldn’t it be cool?”
Who are you talking to Mr. Author? The characters can’t hear the narrator, so you have to be talking directly to me. This calls attention to the fact that this is just a story and breaks immersion. STOP RUINING MY FANTASY WORLD BY TALKING TO ME AS A BODY-LESS NARRATOR.
Other examples are below:
“You can see…”
“You know…”
Anything with “you” in it unless the story is specifically written in second person
“It’s hard to believe, but…”
“You will never guess…”
Etc.
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shadowdrake27
Well, I will have to disagree with you on the Puppy Kicking Villains, they can be quite entertaining.
My favorite example is an actual puppy kicker, Dio Brando.
You don't need all the villains to have comprehensible or sympathetic motivations, some can just be evil for evil's sake.
But there is a little secret to them, they need to enjoy being evil. If you make a character who is simply filled with joy by being EVIL, he can be very fun to watch.
shadowdrake27 Puppy Kicking Villains
This is a term a friend of mine came up with for a villain that doesn’t follow logic. They aren’t interesting and just do evil things because they are supposed to be evil. Sort of like the villain that’s wants to blow up the world and you think, “Wait, wouldn’t he die too?”
Yeah, like the arrogant young masters who pursue a married woman just because the main character needs an excuse to kick their asses. I mean, what logical person goes after a married woman, tries to convince her to divorce her husband (who's supposedly trash) so that he can marry her instead of, you know, logically pursuing another woman who's still single?
It's one thing if the wife has an affair with a young master in secret, but no, we can't have that happen because she only belongs to the main character, am I right? /s
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Ahh, we disagree… you know what that means! Now we can have a civilized discussion about this while respecting each other’s opinions.
It’s true that anything can be written well, but I find these villains to usually be generic with not a lot of thought put into them. I much prefer villains who I understand their logic even if I don’t agree with it. Sounds like your “they need to live being evil” is getting very close what I would call a logical reason for their actions.
If they just want to see the world burn, and the author tells us why, boom! The villain can now be interesting. He was bullied so he wants to be powerful and take control of other people through force—okay this is logical even though I will never be sympathetic towards it or in agreement.
An example of what I like is all of the villains in Batman. Usually a Batman villain personifies a philosophy that Batman doesn’t agree with. Batman has to beat them and keep in moral code intact to preserve his idea of justice.
The joker seems evil for evils sake, but he wants to prove that heros are hypocritical and spread anarchy. Sometimes he tried to do things so evil that Batman kills him because Batman believes killing is wrong. Therefore, if Batman kills the Joker the joker wins. Other villains listed below off the top of my head:
Scarecrow = controlling people through fear (Batman uses fear to save people and set them free)
Penguin = Greed and money over people (Batman is a billionaire that uses his fortune to fight crime)
Bane = controlling people through force/power
Etc.
Yes. Just one example of the many types of “puppy kicking villains.” If there is no good reason behind the villains actions, then the whole story suffers.
shadowdrake27
Hum... yeah, I got that.
Batman definitely has an awesome villain's gallery.
But the thing I was talking about is not logical but in fact emotional.
They enjoy being jerks, so they do evil stuff, in an entertaining way that is enjoyable to watch.
That by itself can make for some very fun villains.
Yeah, that’s not as fun for me… I’m glad you enjoy those villains though.
Vam_V I think Shadowdrake27 isn't referring to villains who do evil stuff because they enjoy being evil, but villains who do evil stuff just so the protagonists are justified in beating them up or killing them. Normally these villains don't do evil stuff because they enjoy being evil, but simply because the plot demands it, and to give the protagonists an excuse to slaughter them in the most exaggerated fashion.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with developing a villain who enjoys being evil and is psychopathic, but if he's there to only appear for a couple of chapters to attempt to rape the protagonist's lover or try to kill him for no reason other than because he's lustful or greedy, and then gets curbstomped by the protagonist in a page (or panel), then...frankly, those are terrible villains and shoddy writing.
Correct. Emotional reasoning can still make a villain good. They can also just be insane or find pleasure in hurting others. Just don’t like them to only be evil as a plot device.
I can see that you guys want to continue. Go on, no ones watching. No need to hold back.
And that is how you put an end to a heated discussion.
Yours truly,
Partypooper
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Ending it by doing your mum. Shame, someone already did it. How about a new trope... there's a war, but to decide the winner... each side need to do their enemies mom while listening to ray william johsnon - doing your mom.
God I'm very good at creating Pure Original tropes
And this is a reply for the current discussion
Btw I don't like trope about ceo stuff, op character that can do anything, gods (except god of doing your mom), going to new body/life 'cus their current life suck ass (dude if your life sucks don't commit suicide in the story, go out with a bang... be a serial killer, arsonist, etc. dying alone feel sucks 'hur duurrr my life is boring... I'm going to kill myself hur duurrr..' then the dude transported or something happened, so he live in a world of harem then screwed all of the girls, committing countless acts like a certified sex offender does. Dude, steal a plane and do couple of stunts before crash diving into a forest and burn it to the ground). If you create your character to be murdered, have a big accident... example; 9/11, buried alive, tortured by quentin tarantino gimp, crushed by a tower. don't die after getting shot or having a car accident.
There i just create the greatest 'going to new life/body trope, hope you can frickin enjoy it. Hope you have a good day :D
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shadowdrake27 like lovecraft or Rocky Horror Picture Show?
I take it back, Tim Curry made all movies good from his mere presence
Now, this mostly occur in Bl transmigration books. I am so tired of seeing mc transmigrates and instantly classify every person as a 2D Character. It is vexing.
Misguided_Rooster
i totally agree, but mister is there a way to write a good novel
Misguided_Rooster
PLs is there a way to write a good novel, with no trope. pls i need some advice
Dzeeck ude if your life sucks don't commit suicide in the story, go out with a bang... be a serial killer, arsonist, etc.
There are literally Japanese isekai stories about this...about people who become serial killers to take revenge for their raped and murdered childhood friend/sister, get sentenced to death, and after their execution (and awesome headlines in the news), they get reincarnated into another world where they can put their serial killer skills to good use.
Erica_Abakah You don't need to ignore tropes. They are there for a reason. In every generation, there are gonna be people, who just want to read a good prince goes to the rescue of the princess type story. If you try to write without using tropes, you'll run into a few problems:
1, It's really hard to figure out a story, that wouldn't work accordingly: Say you're main characters are about to assault the villains, in their hidden lair. What would happen there? What would go wrong, go right, etc? If you don't use tropes in that situation, you'll still operate based on those tropes. Either the bad guys will win, or the good ones. If you end that bit with casualties on both sides, it probably will be too realistic for [MOST] people to relate.
2, You'll have to take your readers into consideration. They'll be expecting something, and if that expectation will not come true, it'll cause some issues later down the line. Always ask yourself: What do your readers expect? And in that, think what you would personally expect.
3, Tropes will always come true at some point. There's not a single story out there without any tropes. Even if you just have a well written character, say a side character, who is the main characters coworker. Let's go with her being a woman, she just lives her life, does her stuff, and occasionally show up in the story, whenever she'd logically show up. If you want to put a twist on her character, let's say she shows up mostly when it's a corporate celebration, like a dinner. The twist would most likely be something like her being a a really bad drunk, eat a lot of food (more than what you'd expect), but even if she's just entire cultured, and a normal human being, at some point that would fit into a certain trope.
4, Tropes are created by the plot. You can't just write a story, without thinking about it ina generic way. Say, you're creating a fantasy story. Let's say it's not a transmigration story. How would you start? Who's the main character? What would come to mind? I'd say, for me at least, it'd definitely either be a rags-to-riches type character, or a prince, of sorts (I mostly think in writing ML stories, I'm bad at writing legit female characters lol). Who's the 'best friend' type character? Is there one? If there is, congrats, that's a trope. If there isn't, well, it's just a lack of trope in one way. There'd probably be another character taking this one's place.
TL;DR: You can't write without tropes, they're essential in stories, both as a plot device, as well as to create the plot. Characters by themselves can be tropes. Settings can be tropes. Everything at the end of the day is a trope. Also, think of your readers expeectations.
Benny Manatee signing out.