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Sooo... I was reading a few comments on a romantic fiction and I saw this. 'That is what makes this novel so great. The guy starts to fall in love with the protagonist, who he thinks is a guy, and he becomes conflicted and... hehehe' Shit, I wanted to stop going on this website when I read that.

TheGentlemenWorld lol

i mean, some people on this site are clearly really young and the stuff they say is hella cringe. this is a weird topic

TheGentlemenWorld
These people should like Yaoi.

I also like Yaoi, so when I see these novels, I do not get bothered with that kind of comment or content, even when it's clearly a hetero novel.

At least I think it's better than the woman falling in love with the guy who rapes her, which is what happens in many modern novels. Or when the woman or the man humiliates his partner to the limit and this is called love.

The worst is that I see this kind of comment: "I love ML it's so cool and cool, acting cool when FL is in danger" >>>> In context, FL was being murdered and ML pretended not to happen as a political strategy and simply let his FL almost die, being that it was another man who saved the FL.

My opinion: Anyone who reads webnovel has problems, these girls you commented are the ones that have the least of problems.

Take_the_Moon
I like bl, but I'll probably never going to write one

TheGentlemenWorld It can definitely be a little scary, lol. But I'd take that any day over something like Heavenly Jewel Change, where the MC is an utter piece of shit. But then, people being gay/bi doesn't bother me, as long as I don't have to participate. To each their own, as long as no one is getting hurt.

Take_the_Moon That's exactly why I check tags before reading novels. It makes me sick to my stomach when I start reading a novel, get into it a little, and then they pull something like that. There have been several times I was looking through stories people said were good, then checked the tags and saw rape, and rape victim becomes lover. I have a special list for worthless shit like that so that I don't forget and start reading it on accident.

TheGentlemenWorld

... That wasnt scary lol

TheComicGeek1054 May not be scary, still cringe.

Take_the_Moon I agree. I I hate those kind of novels. I though I do like my wife is a beautiful ceo, I think that is the only way one that has 'rape' in in it.

There aren't really that many wuxias that have a single love interest, that disappoints me. I can't get into romance novels because its the same thing over and over: trash FL, and I good guy.... Love... Past... and cringe romantic rivals.

You may say that its the same with wuxias, but I'm biased.

lozlo
In the beginning, when I was very innocent, I saw the tags, but I never thought the ML would rape the FL, because of the "good" synopsis or the "good" comments. I knew I was going to have rape, but I did not think rape culture would be used as the basis for romance.

Yes, there are some novels, that the person questions how they let this crap be published in Chinese, in any language on-site or book. The worst is neither the writer of the original language, the worse are the translators. How do you read a story about rape and translate, saying it's romance?

Anyway, now I read only after finding at least two bad comments, in the case with well-constructed negative reviews, that can clarify to me what was bad in story, of course, if their opinion is only by the weak plot or something, I I'll go check it out, if it's because of the violent content, with SDM or rape, I already put it on the blacklist.

TheGentlemenWorld I'm just happy my wife isn't like that, though I did catch her once reading one of those gay novels, she said her friend recommended it, I'm safe...

Those yaoi novels are pretty annoying though, have to black list them every time I find a good series.

Take_the_Moon Yeah. I'm not so sure about the innocent part for me, because I've read some dark stories over the years. But none of them had claimed it was romance, from what I remember. And even that left me a gut-wrenching feeling. When I actually read something where it was used as romance, I feel anger instead. But I view the translator and author as being equal to some extent. However, in the end, I actually think worse of the author. The translator may not know what's going to happen when they start the story. And, if you've translated 400 chapters, it's hard to stop and tell everyone you aren't going to finish it. After all, "it's just fiction," even if it upsets us. The author, on the other hand, knew exactly what they were doing, and even had a choice. They didn't have to go that route, but they did it for whatever reason. Their dark fantasies, shock factor, money, etc. The thing that really gets me though, is when people try to justify it by saying it's part of the culture. If it's part of the culture, then fuck that culture. Let it burn.
However, I don't begrudge people their fantasies. I understand that sometimes people need something to shake things up. And, unfortunately, it does exist in real life to some extent. Just don't justify that shit. Don't try to tell me it's okay or acceptable.

Ha. That's actually pretty close to what I do a lot recently. I'll browse comments on why people didn't like the series. And I pretty much ignore any comment that says things like "gary stu, mary sue, unoriginal, cliche, plot armor," and so on. I assume those people don't have a valid opinion because they're posting unoriginal and cliche complaints. How are you going to post a cliche complaint about how a novel is cliche? I mean, seriously, you don't like that it has plot armor? What story doesn't have plot armor? I question the sense of people who make those complaints. Just say that you feel like the main character is too bland or has no personality. Say that the base for the romance sucks, or that the protagonist never loses a fight because he always magically powers up in the middle of the fight. Anyway, there have been a few times where I read comments that explained how the tags were wrong, in both a good way and a bad way. So I usually do browse them now, even if the tags/story sound okay at a glance.

If you want to know the limits of terror, follow the following steps:
1) Go to a popular FL novel's latest chap.
2) Say you hate the plot and bash the ml/fl
3) rest in peace

lozlo
Lately, I have found many soul mates here in the Forum!
You're the third!
Nice to meet you!
I agree! Don't justify rape culture, domestic violence, racism and other n things like culture!

Fucking culture is my beautiful ass! >>>> I'm sorry about this!

I will not even make a great text, I'm very tired now. But I agree with you if people want to read about an ML that always puts FL at risk, to the point where she almost dies several times, just because of his selfish motives, and the reads want to find that ML a sweet and nice guy, I can't do anything about it! Each has the right for reads to be SDM and MD, I don't care!

Now to say that all this crap is normal and is what every woman dreams of having ... God defend me!

I'm a woman and I do not want that kind of ML in my life!

Xoxo

Water0202020 Damn.

Are you looking to die or are you just into SM?

TheGentlemenWorld Sooo... I was reading a few comments on a romantic fiction and I saw this. 'That is what makes this novel so great. The guy starts to fall in love with the protagonist, who he thinks is a guy, and he becomes conflicted and... hehehe' Shit, I wanted to stop going on this website when I read that.

Women are always terrifying, only deep, after you spend years in the dao of ero you could understand some of their thoughts and wishes

Take_the_Moon I don't know about that. I tend to make everyone mad eventually. Chauvinists and Feminists both hate me, lol. I'm mostly realistic and logical. And somewhat curious. It tends to drive people crazy.
But we do seem to agree on quite a few things and it's nice to meet you too. ;p

No worries, I don't know your time zone, but it was almost midnight when I commented. It must have been pretty late for you too. And... To some extent, I understand wanting to save the FL. However, I don't understand torturing her. I know they say you always hurt the ones you love, but you aren't supposed to do it on purpose!

The unfortunate part, from my experience, is that when you tell a woman about it, they don't want it. But, in real life, it's what they chase. They want the excitement and the mystery. And they want to change him. My guess is that it makes them feel important and special to take a horrible person and reform them. It's like standing in a bear trap to entice a bear over so you can tame it. Thing is, chances are you aren't going to tame that bear, you're going to get mauled by it. Even if you do tame him, you're definitely going to get mauled a bit. I just don't understand it. From a logical perspective, it doesn't seem like it's worth it. But, everyone has different values and desires.

Anyway, it's almost time for me to go to work, lol. So, on a different and somewhat unrelated note. What are your currently active stories? And which one, other than the BL one, is your favorite?
Since we seem to get along so well, I'm going to have to take a look at one of your stories. ;p
And... if you want, I can probably edit some of it in the process. Hopefully, you won't take offense to that. ^_;;

lozlo How are you going to post a cliche complaint about how a novel is cliche? I mean, seriously, you don't like that it has plot armor? What story doesn't have plot armor?

Just saying, some don't. What plot armour is, is when the MC or some other character wins because of some 'power of friendship' or 'magical powerups'. You answered your own question.

You can also remove plot armour if you make the MC overpowered from the start, that way, others can't say it's plot armour.

There is only one series that I think doesn't have plot armour that uses luck as MC's base: Cultivation Group Chat.

idkmylifeisamess I mean, if luck isn't plot armor, then I don't know what is. Every story has it to some extent. Some are just over the top, and some are minor.

lozlo
No offense, I actually feel flattered!

Besides my BL story, I have five more, two in hiatus and three active ones, I will put the links at the end of the comment.

I am a woman and I do not like this kind of thing of being humiliated to gain love ... For me this is sickness!
I am one of the people who criticize about this kind of valorization of domestic violence and rape, as if it were normal to be seen as love!

It's wrong! I hate even more who says this is culture!
No longer enough are the 1x1 novels in which the characters (Ml and FL) seem to live a life of disagreement and problems of 5-year-old children. Yes, five years old, because I can not see adults in these types of novels. What does it cost to sit and talk about relationship problems?

Am I the crazy one here? However, these novels in which it is full of misunderstanding is still close to reality because I have seen relationships work that way in the real world, taking into account that I think both parties need psychological treatment. >>>> The question is at least it's real!

I do not know if I could explain myself right ?!

Links:
https://www.webnovel.com/book/11639355206451405/I-am-reincarnated-as-the-Female-Leader%2C-but-I-want-to-marry-the-villain!
https://www.webnovel.com/book/11547345006417705/The-Power-of-Blood
https://www.webnovel.com/book/11737011605504505/The-girl-who-wanted-to-be-a-hero%2C-but-reincarnate-as-a-villain!
If you want you can even read the other two in hiatus.

Xoxo

NuffZedd
Ohhh, so there's this kind of girl ?!
I'm surprised, I thought it was just anime and manga!
Well I like BL and I do not wonder if friends or groups of friends are more than that. Is weird. Not to mention that, what do I have to do with them?
I do not know why but when I imagine this friend of yours, I can not help but laugh at you and her, it must be embarrassing.
I have a friend (girl), who talks very loud, so when she saw (now she is married and pregnant) a very handsome boy, she would comment aloud and then walk away, leaving me and my other friends being faced by this "boy handsome, "as if we were the ones who had spoken of him!

I put it just to say, that I also have a friend that embarrasses me .... That's because she does not like BL, if she did, I would already be dead of shame!

Xoxo

Zetheryl I understand, But I've seen worse, grown men and teenage boys who like hentai. Which we all know is about rape fantasies and pedophilia. Harem novel enthusiasts who really really like the vapid representations of women that make up that harem which was highly likely to have been written by an author who most likely lives in a basement, barely knows women outside from porn sites and the afore-mentioned hentai.

One of the girls I work with likes to read these boy on boy books, and shows and youtube boy on boy fanvids etc. Good God. She even showed me the vids about harry and niall from one direction being in love. Watching that vid almost made me a believer. Anyway... I think what mostly hooks girls on these is probably the idea of two attractive people falling in love despite everything that says they shouldn't. Which is basically the whole concept of romance. I think them being of the same gender adds to the spice. Sort of like guys who think girl on girl is hot.

Take_the_Moon Yep, I know. But I wanted you to pick the one you like the most. ;p
I might read the others later, but I'll only start with one. And probably not until next week.
I have some things I need to catch up on, bleh. I was lazy last week and got behind on some work.

It is a sickness on some level. But the cause varies from person to person, and it's hard to help those people. Then again, I think most people in this world have a distorted view of love. It's probably been like that for a very long time considering the history of every country.

Communications is a big issue with relationships though. It's a major cause of many failed relationships. And it boggles my mind that people can get in a serious relationship with someone, but not be willing to talk to them when there is a problem. Or so I say. I guess I understand some of it, but not all of it. Opening up to someone can be hard. However, if you can't be open with them, should you really be in an intimate relationship with them? I don't think so. Maybe I'm crazy though.

They probably needed psychological treatment long before they even started the relationship, lol. But, don't we all on some level? Oh well.

lozlo
In short: We are all crazy on some level and we need treatment!

We agree on one more thing: If you cannot open yourself to a person, how should you be in an intimate relationship with that person ?!

Well, as you said, maybe I'm crazy, too? Or you will see that "love" is the problem! Hahahahaha! Pity the "love" that takes the guilt of everything!

Ohhhh I await your decision on the story.

Xoxo

Take_the_Moon So you're not going to tell me which one is your favorite? lol.
I'm indecisive by nature. But I guess I can read the synopsis for them later and pick one. ;p

I might go take a nap first. And mess up my sleep cycle again, lol. I just feel kind of bleh the last few days. Oh well.

lozlo
My favorite is the mature 1x1 novel, with well-made character descriptions with strong female characters. All my stories I try to create a strong character, it reads: I try.

I like that: https://www.webnovel.com/book/11639355206451405/I-am-reincarnated-as-the-Female-Leader%2C-but-I-want-to-marry-the-villain!

TheGentlemenWorld Why when everything in this world is deceitful? Women wear makeup to hide their faces, we wear coloured contacts, dye our hair, pluck our eyebrows, remove hair and present ourselves according. Just like their are some guys who are the same or people who believe they were born the wrong gender. Tom boys, pretty boys, transgender it's life. But I gotta say I do love me some gender bender so if you can let me know what novel that was

Take_the_Moon would you like reading my novel Hinder-Rella.

The ml is incredible loving and devoted while the fl is the one that runs off to do dangerous things. Slow story.

Scarlettbunny

I added it in my library, as soon as I finish my things I will read. The premise looks good!

Xoxo

Take_the_Moon Alright. I'll take a look at that one then. :p

Water0202020 Oh god... are you trying to kick a damn hornets nest?

So... Why the hell does this have 33 posts?

lozlo Yeah, the whole rape this is pretty off putting. I mean, I'm sure it happens and it could be an avenue to go down in exploring love... I do feel it is over represented though. I would never write that sort of situation for a leading character! shudder In fact I straight up frowned upon that stuff in my book. I don't think (personally) we should be romanticizing that sort of behavior. To each his own though...

BabyTanuki This is one of those situations where I don't feel "to each his own." Rape should never be romanticized. People who try to romanticize it should be castrated and then have a heated metal rod stuffed up their ass so they can experience something that might be comparable. If they learn to love it... We'll go from there. I'm fairly confident they won't learn to love it.
I accept that it happens, but I refuse to accept glorifying it as something good.
I think the best example I can think of is... Revenge. If someone uses it as a way for revenge on someone who did them something wrong... It's still not right. I might be able to understand it. But, even then, you're still going to be punished for doing it. And I'm not going to slacken the punishment, even if I can understand it. Not so much because I feel you're wrong, but because I don't want to condone it, no matter the reason. If you hate someone that much, kill them and be done with it.

Scarlettbunny I am NOT judging your interests. In fact, I really don't care about your interests, normally, but when you make a post like that, I can't just not scream internally. The book's name is National School Prince Is A Girl

lozlo My friend, what you have written is pure poetry.

Take_the_Moon
This is an old topic, but I'm glad it was brought up again because I completely agree with you. Even if I was bothered by BL, I would rather have a boy worrying that he's falling in love with a boy who's actually a girl rather than romanticizing rape. At least in the former example, he's going through the actual stages of romance by crushing on someone.

I also remember another topic in some other thread about why are the cold psychopaths so loved by women? And I can attest for a fact that (mentally or emotionally secure?? although I hate to judge) sound-minded women would never want a block of ice that's potentially dangerous. After all, I would hope at least, we want to be loved and secure in our relationships. Rather than romance, I would rather such a story be a psychological drama... Sure, danger can thrilling for a time, but unless the "bad boy" changes, does any girl really want to marry and live with such a jerk? I also don't understand the craze for bad boys, a little mischievousness, humor, and daringness is fun, but constant, purposeful rudeness and teasing should not be the way to catch a girl. I can understand it being "fun" to change someone, but I don't know, I would rather just have a nice chap from the start where we both mutually support and understand one another. Why all this complicatedness? The demands are actually so simple... That's emotions and the heart interfering with our logic I suppose. XD

Ah but I digress. I just simply wish to see better or more original (and realistic) romances on this site.

Chryiss
Hello!
I don't agree ... Changing people only creates chaos and confusion. In addition, it generates a lot of hurts, after all, people do not change by the will of other people. At least normal people.

People change because it is beneficial to oneself. Also because the person realizes he needs to change. Of course, everything will start with the person himself.

But, I agree that I prefer romance where the partner is nice and normal, like any staff. Kind of being mate with each other and always leaning.

In short, literature is full of chauvinism, violence, and idealism. Webnovel is no different, only it is even more difficult to read this type of content because it is very evident, almost glaring.

I pray to find a romance where the woman does not have to be humiliated and then find love.

Sometimes I think, that the authors create this kind of scenario: a Humiliated woman must achieve happiness with the man who did not even know she existed. Because readers or their target audience has no emotional development to accept that normal women (themselves) can have a decent romance with a "dream" man or a good man.

It is as if this hurt the readers because they think that they themselves cannot, then it is impossible that in the stories this happens, generating envy and not wanting to read the novel more ...

It is only "acceptable" for a woman or man to be happy if they are humbled to achieve that happiness. Because then it becomes easier to accept that this character can be happy, after all, he or she suffered much more than the readers themselves.

Of course, I still think this kind of reader has serious emotional issues. Or it is simply too much information. Or, worse yet, these readers have only had this kind of related, abusive and flawed.

Yes, I've been very far today.