webtalewriter I disagree in part. There is such a thing as a bad genre- otherwise known as a 'taboo genre' which I will not get into hereditary degradation here.
But yes, there is definitely poor execution of a genre.
Your novel is trash if it has harem
Shubhangi_Kene
Imo harems are trash as long as they have a purpose to the story. Most, if not all, Male Lead novels that have these harems are just there to act as wish fulfilment for the author.
I can tell you for a fact that it's downright impossible to split your love fairly (romantic type) between multiple people. Its a recipe for disaster.
This doesn't mean that I like novels with reasonable harems in them. They're still trash, just recyclable. If I see a harem tag, I skip. I don't even tolerate reverse harems. Those are equally garbage in my eyes.
webtalewriter Harem is trash. Will always be trash. Not narrow minded, I've actually given harem novels several, serveral tries before. I don't care about 'execution', in the end, they are still horribly trash. Wish fullfillment and fanservice, with no actual use.
Misguided_Rooster
Lol, I agree with you here. Harem is simply wish-fulfillment and cannot happen in any rational situation. It's simply what the author wishes he/she had.
Misguided_Rooster You didn't find good harem yet that's not my problem.
Guess what. Harry Potter is trash because I tried every HP book and didn't like them.
Sythcake Yeah, but those marriages are either political, made based on monetary reasons, or arranged by parents. Rarely will you ever see four or five girls desperate enough to romantically pursue a single guy (who's often poor, plain and unremarkable) to the point where they literally slave away for him or do all sorts of nonsense to seduce him. They aren't talking about that sort of realistic harem here, but fictional harems where every single girl is in love with the protagonist for no reason other than because he's...male.
The wish fulfilment part refers to how the story and world appear to revolve around the protagonist, as if he's the only eligible man in the world or something.
Everytime i read novel with harem on it, i always wonder whether author ever have experience having gf/wife. Bro, pleasing ONE women is already hard, can you imagine as a modern human to have a harem??
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Tomoyuki Yeah, but those marriages are either political, made based on monetary reasons, or arranged by parents.
Doesn’t mean that the women are unhappy with such an arrangement. They were raised differently and pretty much perceive the world from a whole different perspective.
Tomoyuki The wish fulfilment part refers to how the story and world appear to revolve around the protagonist, as if he's the only eligible man in the world or something.
Well, the protag of a wish fulfillment story is usually the most eligible man in the world.
P.S. And before u continue to force me to crusade for a topic that I don’t care much about, simply reread the post that I replied to without over analyzing it and then take a look at my reply to it.
The dude pretty much said - Harems don’t exist
And I replied - they actually do
It's not like 'Harem is a trash' but it only became like that because of how some authors execute the word 'harem'. Imagine, if the setting is modern with cultivation, there is a harem of women who flaunted at an OP male MC? I have read novels like that. At first, I thought it's okay at the start but when you read it longer, it became useless because the women are just like figurines at your display and they didn't even have the role for the MC. They just became a burden.
Kidnapping incident, saving the damsel in distress from forced marriage, irrational women if the MC helps them, etc.
I love reading different kinds of tropes and I don't care for the tags or whatsoever if the plot executes well.
I know everyone here has its opinions regarding the 'Harem' tag in every novel that you have read and I feel the same way.
I'm also writing a novel with a harem tag but in female leading. I am very careful of using my plot and I hope that I can execute this well in the future! _
Sythcake Because you're both using the word harem differently. DaPashini is referring to fictional harems and situations where multiple girls desperately chase after one guy as if he's the only man in the world. You're referring to actual polygamy.
Same word, different meaning, different context.
empressblackrose09 To be honest, Cultivation Chat Group would be a perfect one to add harem to. It's disappointing that there's only one female love interest. MC isn't like the usual trash MC in harem novels, and the females are useful and likeable. Of course it just has to be monogamous though when it sets it up so well. Although the first female character that comes in absolutely can't be added to a so-called harem because of her Venerable, daughter-con father.
*If you don't know, CCG is a modern cultivation novel, although there are still cultivators catching up on the changing times
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Look at it from this perspective: ( Lets just talk about Translated novels, originals a whole different thing with its own problems)
Authors want money -> Authors do what readers want - Authors forces mass wish fullfilment for everyone
Most translated novles have problems in some areas or a lot. Now the author adds extremely unncessary stupid shit to gain clout. Even more problems.
In the very first place, unless its a setting where it actualy requires a harem, THERE IS NO NEED for one.
But there is, maybe because of author, but mostly because of readers. It's called wish fullfilment. Another problem of these authors is that they are businessman. And businessman don't usually write the best of books do they?
Like what you like, I'm not stopping you. But I will never change my mind when I say your novel is trash if it has harem.
And to the person who said 'the women don't mind', bro have you read novels? They most definetely don't like it.
Quick note abou originals:
Someone has to say this: I've read a few, and holy shit yall stop writing. I'm not - actually, I am - trying to insult you, but your writing sounds sooooo freaking bland, cringey and boring.
BTW - No novel on this site deserves 5 stars.
And for those who will say something like 'there's wish fullfilement in everything' - to a certain degree it's not a problem.
And those bringing up history and shit - Harem is fucking useless(Unless it's absolutely neccesary + more).
If you're insulted or hurt by this, good. I couldn't care less.
My opinion is not yours maybe, and that's fine. You can think differently. But, no matter what, it will never change.
YulongYuXianTaiyin I have read that and I can say that's one tolerable novel that I have read. I forgot the name of the MC but I remember his title (Although it cringes me every time I remember it xD) Stressed by a Mountains of Books xD.
That novel is not your typical OP MC from the start. It's actually enjoyable to read _
There is another cultivation modern novel such as Urban Immortal Cultivator that most of the women there it's either badmouthing the MC or being clingy to him because of such being an OP. Strongest Abandoned Son, Return to the World of Immortals is also like that.
It might be cool to read those novels but every time a woman is being introduced, sometimes I have to stop first before continuing reading the novel because I know what comes next xD
OtherworldlyEggy You are not reading the right novels, Harem can be done well... but it's hella rare. XD
EternalNightLotus Agreed. If the harem is done perfectly with a good emotional build-up then it's really good. Sometimes, I quit novels on any sight on seeing the harem tag as none of these novel expect one or two (My preference) has ever done it correct.
Junior_Sundar what?
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Misguided_Rooster Well I don't have Harem and I still feel like my novel is thrash but hey I'm still gonna write... One day all of you will be reading my book and I'll be happy to better myself until then... Idk why I just said all of those!!!
Maybe it's because my chicken brethren is the one who made the feed?!?!?!?!?!
Bro, as long as long as you learn from what you're doing it's fine. Most of these authors out here just keep repeating mistakes over and over and their novels are complete shit.
We all feel like what we're writing is trash, but that's just our neagtive self talking. You won't know untill you let others read.
Of course, harem along with other things will stil make your novel trash imo.
Don't let profit get to you, it ruins literally almost all books. Don't write fastfood, write good food.